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  They have created Web sites

  by Word in

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  kingdom ministry september 2007 .

  ..in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do.

  independent research on bible-related subjects.

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  Enjoying freedom

  What "websites" would those be then?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chuckle!!!!!!
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  do not understand "slow" fade, "controlled" fade, why not just stop quickly

  by oompa in

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  onthewayout has a current thread about a slow fade, and i have read many others that are similar.

  i do not understand how fading slowly vs. fading very quickly has any different consequences.

  and i mean whether an elder or pioneer or not.

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  Enjoying freedom

  I was a sudden drop out - had been brought up as a JW - was unhappy about the religion for a few years.

  My mum and dad had left approx 18 months earlier - one day at a circuit assembly I decided that was the last meeting I was ever going to.

  Mentioned the fact to my husband outside the assembly hall during the session, and never went back in (except afterwards to get my bag and coat!).

  Never been back!

  I did have a call from two elders - but I told them that if living forever in "Paradise" meant having to stick their association I would rather go without Paradise. I think it sort of told them!

  Then when my brother in law elder came round a while later I made sure I was out putting up the christmas lights! Fantastic feeling!

  Never been DFd though - can't imagine why. I am quite vociferous in my outspoken hatred of the divisive cult!
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  Anyone else setting up the Christmas tree or thinking of it already?

  by WTWizard in

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  being that i like the looks of the christmas lights and that i have had 20 years of not being able to set them up, i have already taken the step of setting up the christmas tree.

  on it are huge amounts of lights--12 sets of c6 led bulbs (they come 60 to a set) plus a set of 70 miniature leds for the top region.

  i ran out of c6 bulbs about halfway up the tree (not to worry, i have the other 6 sets on order and they should be arriving today).. there are some things to think about when setting up a holiday tree out of "season".

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  Enjoying freedom

  Whilst I admire your enthusiasm (and would never want to dampen it in any way) it is only August!!

  But...while we are talking Christmas trees - I have heard it recommended (from a good source, an ex elder) that you need to have at least 100 lights per foot of Christmas tree. So a 6 foot tree = 600 lights.

  And don't forget to make sure that if you have a star/fairy at the top of the tree that your top set of lights are positioned so that it lights up the fairy/star - otherwise at night the top will be in darkness.

  And also make sure that the tree isn't in danger of falling on a small child (or adult come to that!). Last year I ended up with the tree falling down on me whilst I was trying to get all the presents underneath! No bones or lights broken, but lights did need repositioning again! How I laughed!!!

  I will probably start thinking about the tree in November - might get a real one this time (have got an artificial one in the attic that I have used for 7 years).

  I think the important thing is just to have fun - after all that is, really, what Christmas is all about!!!
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  sister in service in PANTS!

  by Cellist in

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  this morning we saw a pair of jw women in service.

  nothing remarkable except that one of them was wearing pants.

  it wasn't even a cold day!

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  Enjoying freedom

  I wish that I had had the courage to wear trousers to the meeting when I was JW!

  Now of course I would stride into the kingdumb hall in a trouser suit and my comments and suggestions at the Watchtower study/book study would result in me being thrown out!

  But at the time I was still nervous about being too outspoken. Did make my mark a few times though when elders and other endangered species would come out with the most stupid remarks.

  But nothing like what I would do now!!!!!!
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  Irregular publisher

  by Anony-Mouse in

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  i almost got declared one.

  elder said he wanted to take me out in service so i don't.

  said i'd have that for 6 months.

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  Personally I wouldn't write a disassociation letter.

  When I left a few years ago I considered writing to the local PO. But then I realised that by doing that I was acknowledge to them the none-existent "power" that they have over you.

  Plus it will then be seen that you as the individual took the step to disassociate yourself, rather than them disfellowshipping you.

  It may only be a minor point - but in my opinion it is best not to give the elders the "illusion" that they have any real power.

  The power they think they have is all in the heads.

  Don't feed their delusions!

  Just my thoughts!
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  Gerrit Losch on YouTube: Going to college is like putting a gun to head

  by truthseeker in

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  original article .

  http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=722 .

  link to youtube video .

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  How do the WT society think that their morally questionnable legal advisers obtained their degrees?

  By attending the theocratic ministry school? Or by being given the privilege of handing the microphones round at the kingdumb hall??

  Yeah right!

  When I was a JW I did an NVQ at the local college (got a LOAD of grief for doing it!).

  Have now left the JWs, and just graduated from university with a masters in law (LLM) - and been promoted! Well worth it!

  Have to say that my time at university in the last couple of years has not caused me to start a downward spiral of heavy drinking, drug taking and violence!!!!!

  If anything would turn an individual to despair, drink and drugs it would be to continue as a JW! In my opinion!!!
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  What Things Would You Not Have Done As A JW That You Would Do Now?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as witnesses, we were very concerned that we might offend somebody's conscience and our actions reflected that.

  if someone might've been "stumbled" by our actions or speech, we would make sure we would do everything possible to not upset another fellow brother or sister.. i would not have gone to an "r" rated movie.

  now, i go to any rated or unrated movie because i don't give a sh*t what smeone might feel over my choice.. what things are you free to do without worrying that someone might be disturbed over it?

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  Enjoying freedom

  Enjoy life as an independent person living life by my rules and principles (which, by the way, are actually far higher than those the WT can ever come up with!!)
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  JW's are able to give gifts anytime, not just holidays, BUT DO THEY?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  on a thread i started awhile back, the following was in the initial post:.

  otherwise, the wife recently purchased some fancy gifts for her family members.

  ready to send home, i asked her how her df'ed sibling would feel being left out.

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  I assume when you are talking about "graduation" you mean graduation from high school (ie secondary school) and not university - because no half way decent JW is ever going to find themselves graduating from any university!!!!

  My parents always gave us presents at "surprise" times through the year - but then they were (and still are!!) very unique in having their own principles that had s*d all to do with the WT rules.

  Even when my dad was an elder (and congregation secretary) he would threaten other elders verbally when they were basically bullying vulnerable brothers and sisters in the congregation. I have known him on one occasion to threaten to take another elder outside the kingdom hall and lay into him (verbally of course!!) because of the appalling way one particular elder was treating someone. Go dad!

  But back to the topic in question....aside from anniversaries and weddings, the other time that JWs tend to give cards and presents is at baptism time.
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  evidence of angelic direction

  by tank in

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  2. friends

  i just came across this on the official watchtover web site www.watchtower.org/ .

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  jehovah's witnesses spend more than a billion hours annually preaching the good news of god's kingdom.

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  When my daughter was a baby she was very ill and the hospital said she needed urgent treatment that may have to involve a blood transfusion, although they said they would start without and see how things went.

  We refused to consent to blood - the treatment was started, my daughter pulled through.

  The general consensus in the congregation at the time was that it was obviously because of jehovah's blessing that she pulled through without the need for blood.

  I believed it...................for a while.................... and then started thinking.

  If it was jehovah's intervention that prevented the need for my daughter to need blood on that occasion, what made him withold his blessing from all those children who died and whose pictures were on the front of the May 98(?) Awake? What had they done to prevent them also having jehovah's blessing?

  If jehovah is that "involved" in certain people's lives could he not step up his game, and actually start preventing some of the illnesses/accidents that occur that lead people to be sitting in intensive care needing treatment in the first place?

  It is all a big con, and is all down to sods law as to whether you are (a) ever in a position to need treatment and (b) whether the treatment will involved blood and (c) whether the treatment is as effective as the medical team hope.

  It is the same deal with JWs not being shot in a certain situation when the next person may be. It is all down to being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or the right place at the right time.

  and if there is a god and he happens to be listening, then see this is as a challenge to up your game and improve your standards of success. If you would be so kind.

  Just my thoughts.
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  HELP ! UK - new law to allow one person to refuse blood for another

  by Enjoying freedom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mental capacity act 2005. does anyone know if the wtbts are doing anything about the new provision within the mental capacity act for a person to authorise another to make healthcare decisions?.

  this is a completely new concept for those of us in england, wales and northern ireland.. until now (well 1 october!

  ) an enduring power of attorney would only allow an attorney to be appointed to make decisions about finance.. under the new lasting power of attorney (mental capacity act 2005 s9) the donor (aged over 18 years) can appoint an attorney to make personal welfare decisions (ie healthcare decisions) on their behalf if they lose capacity to make the decision for themselves.

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  Enjoying freedom

  I can see why something like this would make sense for an individual to set up if they have a degenerative illness that they know will result in them losing capacity and unable to make their own decisions.

  But not so that one JW can refuse blood on behalf of another, when, in a lot of cases, the patient would survive the injury/operation and lead a normal life otherwise.

  Again, each person has the right to choose. But how much real CHOICE does the average JW have when they are in a hospital bed, sick, and surrounded by JW family, friends and the Hospital Liaison Committee all using subtle but significant pressure on that individual to refuse blood?

  This is not patient choice, this is bullying by any other name.

  This is the situation that desperately needs to be avoided.